FMW Fantasy Wrestling League 2010 DISCUSSION THREAD

That's him.

Are you sure? Because my rule is much more lenient.

Thank you Smackdown!, delivering me delicious victory as you have done many times before.

Btw Romeo, can i see a table that shows how your scoring this? Cuz it doesnt look like the one i use

I never thought the day would come where an Orton victory would make me sad. I hate you Gabriel.

PX:

Normal: +1 segment, +2 win, -1 loss, +3 title defense, +5 title victory, -5 title loss
Jobber: +1 segment, -1 win, +2 loss, -3 title defense, -5 title victory, +5 title loss
Hot: +1 segment, +4 win, -2 loss, +6 title defense, +10 title victory, -10 title loss
Cold: +1 segment, -2 win, +4 loss, -6 title defense, -10 title victory, +10 title loss

This week's schedule:

Leon vs. Romeo
AVO vs. SOS
PX vs. Butters
Drew vs. RCA
Panzer vs. DM

Scores after RAW:

Leon - 5 (+2 Morrison, +2 Ted DiBiase, +1 Goldust)
Romeo - 3 (+3 Wade Barrett)

AVO - 2 (+1 Michael Cole, +2 Eve, -1 Sheamus)
SOS - DQed

PX - 5 (+5 Randy Orton)
Butters - -3 (-2 Evan Bourne, 0 John Cena, -1 R-Truth)

Drew - 3 (-2 Daniel Bryan, +2 Heath Slater, +1 Maryse, +1 Layla, +1 Vladimir Kozlov)
RCA - 0 (+4 Miz, -4 Santino)

Panzer - 4 (-1 Justin Gabriel, +3 Alex Riley, +2 David Otunga)
DM - 1 (+1 Natalya)

A pretty low-scoring RAW tonight thanks to a combination of horrible position calls and the Bragging Rights qualifiers giving many RAW stars equal opportunities to shine.

Only Leon and PX managed to capitalize on tonight's RAW as they earned quite some points from qualifiers winners John Morrison, Ted DiBiase, and Randy Orton, with Orton finally making up for his poor Week 1 showing to owning Justin Gabriel tonight. Wade Barrett on the other hand didn't have a match, as he stayed behind the scenes in three segments.

R-Truth was a huge waste for Butters as he played quite a significant role in tonight's RAW, winning his Bragging Rights qualifier. Had Butters put him in any other spot, he may have scored at least 3 points for him.

There is an unpredictable booking decision in Santino winning his qualifying match, taking away Miz's hard-earned 4 points for RCA. What isn't unpredictable, however, is John Cena losing again tonight.

Sleepers include potential new Nexus members Husky Harris and Michael McGillicutty, who would have scored 3 points for their owners. Another would have been Tyson Kidd, as the Hart Dynasty is currently in the middle of a steady de-pushing, however that is less certain as there are two of them to de-push.

If you're worried about your scores now, don't be, because NXT is tomorrow!

Hey, don't mean to question you, but would you mind re-adding my score up?

What you have down doesn't add up, and I thought I broke even on Cena.

Oops, yes, you're right, you did break even with Cena. My bad.

Scores after NXT:

Leon - 10 (+2 Morrison, +2 Ted DiBiase, +6 Goldust)
Romeo - 9 (+3 Wade Barrett, +6 A.J.)

AVO - 2 (+1 Michael Cole, +2 Eve, -1 Sheamus)
SOS - DQed

PX - 5 (+5 Randy Orton)
Butters - 3 (+1 Michelle McCool, -2 Evan Bourne, 0 John Cena, -1 R-Truth, +5 Vickie Guerrero)

Drew - 3 (-2 Daniel Bryan, +2 Heath Slater, +1 Maryse, +1 Layla, +1 Vladimir Kozlov)
RCA - 10 (+4 Miz, -2 Santino, +3 Naomi, +5 Primo)

Panzer - 7 (-1 Justin Gabriel, +3 Alex Riley, +2 David Otunga, +3 Kaitlyn)
DM - 1 (+1 Natalya)

Apologies are in order as I mistallied a number of Superstars last night. I had gotten my point system a little mixed up, and I have corrected the following Superstars: John Cena, Sheamus, R-Truth, and Santino. I also forgot to take into account Michelle McCool for Butters.

NXT's biggest winner this week is A.J., who won both a competition and a match. Naomi would've scored a little higher if she had been put in the jobber position, as she lost to Alicia Fox (who is still in Free Agency, hint hint). Leon could've used the extra mileage he would have received from Aksana sitting on his bench.

The rest of the pros - namely, Vickie Guerrero, Primo, and Goldust went on to earn the typical 5 points for their pros. I repeat: if you don't have one yet, get an NXT Pro posthaste. They are really huge point-earners.

Spoilers indicate, I have won this week

And I'm pretty sure I've beat Ro

Yeah, you'll have to wait until after Smackdown for the official close, just like everyone else.

Scores after Superstars:

Leon - 10 (+2 Morrison, +2 Ted DiBiase, +6 Goldust)
Romeo - 10 (+3 Wade Barrett, +7 A.J.)

AVO - 2 (+1 Michael Cole, +2 Eve, -1 Sheamus)
SOS - DQed

PX - 4 (+5 Randy Orton, -1 Darren Young)
Butters - 4 (+2 Michelle McCool, -2 Evan Bourne, 0 John Cena, -1 R-Truth, +5 Vickie Guerrero)

Drew - 1 (-2 Daniel Bryan, +2 Heath Slater, +1 Maryse, -1 Layla, +1 Vladimir Kozlov)
RCA - 12 (+4 Miz, -2 Santino, +3 Naomi, +7 Primo)

Panzer - 7 (-1 Justin Gabriel, +3 Alex Riley, +2 David Otunga, +3 Kaitlyn)
DM - 2 (+2 Natalya)

Not a lot of changes here. RCA was the only one to truly capitalize as Primo lost to Darren Young. A lot of subtle one-point changes tied up Leon/me and PX/Butters, but that's about it. Nobody had four of tonight's competitors, in Curt Hawkins, Trent Barreta, Melina, and Alicia Fox.

Final scores for this week:

Leon - 13 (+2 Morrison, +2 Ted DiBiase, +6 Goldust, +5 Undertaker, -2 Jack Swagger)
Romeo - 11 (+3 Wade Barrett, +7 A.J., +2 Big Show, -1 Kofi Kingston)

AVO - 6 (+1 Michael Cole, +2 Eve, -1 Sheamus, -1 Drew McIntyre, +5 Edge)
SOS - DQed

PX - 10 (+5 Randy Orton, -1 Darren Young, +2 Rey Mysterio, +4 MVP)
Butters - 5 (+2 Michelle McCool, -2 Evan Bourne, 0 John Cena, -1 R-Truth, +6 Vickie Guerrero)

Drew - 1 (-2 Daniel Bryan, +2 Heath Slater, +1 Maryse, -1 Layla, +1 Vladimir Kozlov)
RCA - 10 (+4 Miz, -2 Santino, +3 Naomi, +7 Primo, -2 Dolph Ziggler)

Panzer - 9 (+2 Kane, -1 Justin Gabriel, +3 Alex Riley, +2 David Otunga, +4 Kaitlyn)
DM - 4 (0 Cody Rhodes, +2 Natalya, +2 Kaval)

The biggest winners of tonight's show are Edge and Undertaker, scoring five points apiece. Edge actually won his Bragging Rights qualifier, while Undertaker was pretty much ubiquitous this show with all the short clips of him on the roof. Kane on the other hand only showed up in two.

The Five Minute Challenge was a mixed bag, but I decided that it's still a match, which is why Kaval (who is erratically booked, but leaning towards the losing side right now) earns 2 points after losing to Tyler Reks, who by the way is looking to be in line for a small push, so if anyone needs a sleeper scorer, he is now active.

A notable waste is Paul Bearer, who is sitting idly in DM's bench. As long as this Kane vs. Undertaker feud is ongoing, expect him to show up. Right now, he's a lot more consistent than the Usos. Bragging Rights seems to be the final final final blow-off match, but that's still guaranteed two weeks' use.

1. RCA (2-0-0) 27
2. PX (2-0-0) 21
3. Romeo (1-1-0) 26
4. Leon (1-1-0) 22
5. Butters (1-1-0) 16
6. AVO (1-1-0) 9
7. Panzer (1-1-0) 9
8. SOS (1-1-0) 5
9. DM (0-2-0) 5
10. Drew (0-2-0) 1

Time for some unsolicited advice:

RCA, PX, Leon - You consistently score high, so there's not really much to change. If anything is a problem it would be the booking of certain people.

Butters - Look at trends - Cena's probably not going to be winning anything anytime soon. Also, you're going to have to do some major overhauling right now. Evan Bourne and Christian are out on injuries, and Mark Henry is away on personal leave at the moment, leaving your choices pretty thin. You may have to look pretty hard for some sleepers.

AVO - See RCA, PX, Leon.

Panzer - It's really hard to rely on the Nexus, but that's more of a booking problem than anything. The acquisition of Kaitlyn is only good for you because she has a prominent angle on SmackDown.

SOS - Show up.

DM - It's unwise to start both members of a tag team, especially a tag team that isn't as high on the pecking order like the Usos. I personally predict that the Dashing Ones will be defending their titles against them somewhere down the line, but you have prominent personalities in Theodore Long and Paul Bearer that are being wasted. Points are points. Also, the lack of a major player is really hurting you - may I suggest picking up someone who shows up on NXT?

Drew - Almost the same thing as DM; there's no major player on your team. Daniel Bryan, while champion, is still sort of booked erratically as well, and we don't know what he'll be doing come Bragging Rights. I also suggest picking up someone from NXT.

-Week 3-
Romeo vs. SOS
Leon vs. Butters
AVO vs. RCA
PX vs. DM
Drew vs. Panzer

Line-ups are due before RAW.

Honestly, anyone but Orton facing Gabriel and I would have bet Gabriel would come out on top. It was a risk and it cost me, but i won anyway thanks to raw really hating Daniel Bryan.

MICHAEL MCGUILLICUTTY RACKING UP DEM POINTS

My Father In Law died this morning so I will be incommunicado all week.... Adjust accordingly gentlemen. I will be back with a vengence next week though!!!

You should've taken the time to at least copy and paste your line-up. That's not really so hard to do.

Yay for ADR, Punk, Kelly, Ryder, and the return of Zeke. If only Harris would have won. My team looking good so far, I think.

Everyone showed up. You all make me so very happy.

Scores after RAW:

Romeo - 18 (+1 Kofi Kingston, +8 Big Show, +5 Wade Barrett, +4 William Regal)
SOS - 5 (+1 Alberto del Rio, +1 CM Punk, +1 Kelly Kelly, -2 Husky Harris, +4 Zack Ryder)

Leon - 7 (+1 Aksana, +1 Ted DiBiase, +4 Goldust, +1 Tyler Reks)
Butters - 8 (+1 Vickie Guerrero, +1 Brie Bella, +2 Alicia Fox, +1 Michelle McCool, +3 John Cena)

AVO - 15 (+2 Drew McIntyre, +1 Eve, +6 Edge, +6 Sheamus)
RCA - 12 (+1 Dolph Ziggler, +3 Primo, +2 Miz, +6 Santino)

PX - 14 (+1 Rey Mysterio, +3 Chavo Guerrero, +6 Randy Orton, +5 MVP)
DM - 12 (+3 Natalya, +3 Kaval, +3 Teddy Long, +3 Cody Rhodes)

Drew - 7 (+1 Daniel Bryan, 0 Vladimir Kozlov, +1 Maryse, +1 Layla, +4 Heath Slater)
Panzer - 6 (+4 Alex Riley, -2 Michael McGillicutty, +4 David Otunga)

Clearly a huge night for everyone as SmackDown came to crash RAW, and a lot of good calls made possible by the RAW vs. SmackDown Battle Royal main event.

Tonight's biggest winners are Big Show, Wade Barrett, and John Cena, who were omnipresent throughout the entire show. Show clocked in at four segments and the win in the Battle Royal, earning 8 points, while Wade Barrett clocked in at five segments. John Cena did actually clock in at five segments, but booking decided to throw a wrench in the gears by having Cena finally win his first match in two weeks. Butters could have gotten more out of Cena, but 3 points is decent enough to earn him the lead against Leon.

Those who earned zero points are those in a normal Superstar position who showed up in the opening segment (earning one point) but losing in the Battle Royal (losing one point).

Good calls were made all around this evening as many superstars earned their owners 4-5 points (5, thanks to the opening segment). The guys who earned big via the battle royal were Edge, Sheamus, MVP, William Regal, and Santino due to wins and losses, while a perfect call was made in Goldust vs. Zack Ryder, where Leon has Goldust in the Hot position and SOS had Ryder in the Cold position. Leon has the advantage, however, as Goldust will surely be appearing in NXT tomorrow, earning him more points.

The Nexus was omnipresent as well, appearing in a total of four segments and no matches that could possibly affect the points they brought in. Teddy Long was also an important playa tonight, giving DM a good 3 points that will only increase come SmackDown this Friday.

Many Divas were also given an appearance this evening, raking enough segment points to give Butters's Diva-centric team the lead.

It would be very wise to expect another night like this on Friday, given this is the go-home week for Bragging Rights. But to whoever has an NXT performer (that's most of us), be prepared to rack up even more points. This week is a good week.

Why does Cody Rhodes get plus two for winning last night when he's sitting in the COLD position on team DM?

Because he was in the Battle Royal and lost. -2 for the tag match win, +4 for the Battle Royal loss.

Just a quick question: How do those who show up at ringside earn points? Do they at all? Because Punk and ADR showed up at ringside before the Show/Miz match. Would that count as a point, since it hadn't become a Battle Royal until after that match had started? If so, those Superstars would probably earn +1 for the night. But if I'm wrong, then yeah, they break ever. Just wondering.

On my old scoring system they'd get a point for making an appearance

Okay, according to the report (which I apparently did not read that closely), there was a commercial break. Everyone will get that +1.

Excellent, for your mistake I gain even closer to Butter's Cena powered team. But alas, its NXT tonight I feel like something big is coming my way!!

Scores after NXT:

Romeo - 21 (+1 Kofi Kingston, +8 Big Show, +5 Wade Barrett, +4 William Regal, +3 A.J.)
SOS - 11 (+1 Alberto del Rio, +1 CM Punk, +7 Kelly Kelly, -2 Husky Harris, +4 Zack Ryder)

Leon - 17 (+5 Aksana, +1 Ted DiBiase, +10 Goldust, +1 Tyler Reks)
Butters - 24 (+6 Vickie Guerrero, +7 Brie Bella, +7 Alicia Fox, +1 Michelle McCool, +3 John Cena)

AVO - 15 (+2 Drew McIntyre, +1 Eve, +6 Edge, +6 Sheamus)
RCA - 21 (+1 Dolph Ziggler, +8 Primo, +2 Miz, +6 Santino, +4 Naomi)

PX - 14 (+1 Rey Mysterio, +3 Chavo Guerrero, +6 Randy Orton, +5 MVP)
DM - 12 (+3 Natalya, +3 Kaval, +3 Teddy Long, +3 Cody Rhodes)

Drew - 7 (+1 Daniel Bryan, 0 Vladimir Kozlov, +1 Maryse, +1 Layla, +4 Heath Slater)
Panzer - 9 (+3 Kaitlyn, +4 Alex Riley, -2 Michael McGillicutty, +4 David Otunga)

NXT's biggest winner is... Butters, whose Diva-centric team racked up quite a lot of points, granting him the edge over Leon. Brie Bella's victory, Alicia Fox and Vickie Guerrero's appearances added a total of 16 points, which clearly outdoes Aksana and Goldust's 4 and 6 points. Can Leon turn the tide back come SmackDown, where he has the depth advantage?

Naomi had a great night winning the two challenges, but eventually lost in the tag team match against the Bellas. SOS was able to capitalize on that loss as Kelly Kelly earns him 7 points. While the gap between him and me is still huge, hopefully Superstars and SmackDown makes the competition closer.

I'll say it again... if you don't have an NXT performer, you're really missing out on some huge points.

Boom.

Scores after Superstars:

Romeo - 20 (+1 Kofi Kingston, +8 Big Show, +6 Wade Barrett, +2 William Regal, +3 A.J.)
SOS - 11 (+1 Alberto del Rio, +1 CM Punk, +7 Kelly Kelly, -2 Husky Harris, +4 Zack Ryder)

Leon - 17 (+5 Aksana, +1 Ted DiBiase, +10 Goldust, +1 Tyler Reks)
Butters - 24 (+6 Vickie Guerrero, +7 Brie Bella, +7 Alicia Fox, +1 Michelle McCool, +3 John Cena)

AVO - 17 (+4 Drew McIntyre, +1 Eve, +6 Edge, +6 Sheamus)
RCA - 19 (+1 Dolph Ziggler, +8 Primo, +2 Miz, +4 Santino, +4 Naomi)

PX - 17 (+1 Rey Mysterio, -1 Darren Young, +3 Chavo Guerrero, +6 Randy Orton, +9 MVP)
DM - 10 (+3 Natalya, +3 Kaval, +3 Teddy Long, +1 Cody Rhodes)

Drew - 7 (+1 Daniel Bryan, -1 Vladimir Kozlov, +1 Maryse, +1 Layla, +5 Heath Slater)
Panzer - 10 (+3 Kaitlyn, +4 Alex Riley, -2 Michael McGillicutty, +5 David Otunga)

A quiet night, save for the unexpected appearance of the Nexus on the show, earning Barrett, Otunga, Gabriel and Slater one point. The big winner, however, was MVP, who lost again, earning another huge 4 points for PX. On the other hand, Chris Masters is starting to emerge as a must-start every week in a jobber position, so Ed, if you need a steady stream of points, Masters is your guy.

Darren Young is beginning to be a fixture on Superstars, but his booking is flimsy at this point. It does look like that he has a mini-feud with William Regal, so they seem to be trading wins right now.

It is unwise to start both Usos, but it most likely wouldn't hurt to start one Uso in a jobber position. It looks like Tamina is making wins happen for Santino, who seems to be in the middle of another mini-push again.

SmackDown is tomorrow, and spoilers have indicated that more Smackdown vs. RAW confrontations are gonna happen, and that means more points for everyone!

Final scores for this week:

Romeo - 28 (+4 Kofi Kingston, +13 Big Show, +6 Wade Barrett, +2 William Regal, +3 A.J.)
SOS - 15 (+6 Alberto del Rio, +1 CM Punk, +6 Kelly Kelly, -2 Husky Harris, +4 Zack Ryder)

Leon - 20 (+1 Undertaker, +5 Aksana, +1 Ted DiBiase, +10 Goldust, +3 Tyler Reks)
Butters - 23 (+7 Vickie Guerrero, +7 Brie Bella, +7 Alicia Fox, -1 Michelle McCool, +3 John Cena)

AVO - 27 (+4 Drew McIntyre, +1 Eve, +11 Edge, +11 Sheamus)
RCA - 25 (+2 Dolph Ziggler, +8 Primo, +1 Miz, +10 Santino, +4 Naomi)

PX - 25 (+4 Rey Mysterio, -1 Darren Young, +3 Chavo Guerrero, +10 Randy Orton, +9 MVP)
DM - 14 (+5 Natalya, +3 Kaval, +4 Teddy Long, +2 Cody Rhodes)

Drew - 5 (+1 Daniel Bryan, -1 Vladimir Kozlov, +1 Maryse, -1 Layla, +5 Heath Slater)
Panzer - 14 (+3 Kaitlyn, +6 Alex Riley, -2 Michael McGillicutty, +5 David Otunga)

Team SmackDown is really going over tonight, as the Big Show and Co. are the biggest winners of SmackDown this evening. However, unlike what happened on RAW where entire rosters were involved, only the Bragging Rights Teams got some action, giving other people the short end of the deal.

Show in the Hot position earns 5 more points, while Kofi Kingston and Rey Mysterio earn 3 more points for their huge win against The Miz, Ezekiel Jackson and Sheamus. Only AVO was able to capitalize on Sheamus, who also earned him 5 points.

Speaking of AVO, it was a real close one between him and RCA. AVO had a really big night due to the perfect placement of Edge and Sheamus in the Hot and Cold position. RCA was boosted by a huge Santino loss, but was not enough to close the gap, thanks to an underperforming Miz and Dolph Ziggler.

Another close battle was Butters and Leon. Butters took a minor hit due to Hot Michelle McCool losing, but was safe as the hubby, Undertaker - who was Leon's last hope - showed up in only one segment, in contrast to last week's show where he was ubiquitous. It's safe to say that Leon should've started either John Morrison or Jack Swagger, better players tonight, instead of Ted DiBiase.

Randy Orton comes in with a good win to add up to PX's already huge lead. On a normal week, DM would've had a nice, competitive score, but since many people were on both shows thanks to the nature of Bragging Rights, she was totally trounced.

Drew... please pick up an NXT person.

Lady and gentlemen, this Sunday is Bragging Rights! As is the customary for PPV weeks, the week will begin early, so you absolutely MUST have your line-ups in before the PPV begins. Or else... you get disqualified. Here's a hint/prediction: since SmackDown was so strong in the build-up, look for Team RAW to win the Bragging Rights match. Probably can't say the same for Ziggler/Bryan, though.

-Week 4-
Butters vs. Romeo
SOS vs. RCA
Leon vs. DM
AVO vs. Panzer
PX vs. Drew

Standings as of Week 3:
1. PX (3-0-0) 46
2. Romeo (2-1-0) 54
3. RCA (2-1-0) 52
4. Butters (2-1-0) 39
5. AVO (2-1-0) 36
6. Panzer (2-1-0) 23
7. Leon (1-2-0) 42
8. SOS (1-2-0) 20
9. DM (0-3-0) 19
10. Drew (0-3-0) 6

Damn...... I hate you Otunga. How could you win your first match in forever, for the belts, while you were in my bench.