FMW OOC Thread

The Celt wrote:

Easty wrote:

TL;DR

Celt, 13.1, you up for a steel cage UV championship match?

Lol, you mean 14.1, we already did the 13 cycle.

Let's see what happens at U3 first and then decide what matches need to be made.

Also Jack, how long to you think the rest of the boys are putting into these replies? Judging from the length I'd say hours, Jesus.

Yeah, 14.1.

And god knows bro, CBA with the bullshit.

Tromboner Man wrote:

First off, I'll start off with a congratulations, De. You must be a very, very proud uncle at the moment, so congratulations to you, the new born parents, and your entire family on the safe arrival of Aaliyah.

Secondly, having had my Head Office powers taken away (not complaining, I'm not a headbooker anymore, so why should I see the Head Office), so I can't speak saying I've seen the ammended card, or the original card. However, it is the job of the Head Writers to co-ordinate shows production, not book pay-per-view events. It's not even the job of the Head Writer to plan the long term outlook of Full Metal Wrestling. Yes, in conjunction to the role, there's an expectation and a neccessity to execute creativity and be involved in booking. However, the booking role is more show to show, not long term. The Pay-Per-View and long term booking is the responcibility of the President. Head Writers often put input into this, and while most of the time, the input is what happens, the final call always ends with Drew. I've found it's a completely different world to LPW and the way it's booked there, with the president (X)'s role being more of a quality control person, there to keep the Headbookers in line, and make sure they're doing their job, while keeping the roster happy when things go wrong, and the Headbookers control the booking entirely. Sometimes this fact is forgotten, but that's really one of the biggest differences between here and there, and it confuses people at times.

Considering the fact that you know some of the things Ive proposed, you also know that Drew has given any OK with them. As I said before, I didnt strongarm my way into this job, they asked me to take it over for you.

Also, ever since Drew took over, the HW staff (from what he has told me) has asked to be more involved with the direct booking of their card, which is why I've even booked things in the first place and, if you're wondering, nothing I've proposed has been turned down by Drew. In fact Drew's agreed with everything I've put forward or has worked with me to tweak things a bit to make them more presentable.

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However, adjusting scores purely on the basis on where a head writer believes the score-ee should be on the card is not on. That's what Nick has been accused of here. That is completely unacceptable, and it brings not only the character of the person doing it into disrepute, but it also brings into disrepute the President, the other head writer, every person who sent in promo ratings, and the e-fed as a whole. With that being said, I need to ask this, straight and down the line.

Nick Bryson, head writer of Ammunition, have you been changing scores to matches?

No, and you know me better than that.

There are times where I truly dislike this place.

And considering that it has come to the point where I actually agree with Seth, clearly this is one of those times where I dislike this place.

However, I can't see the Head Office and I'm pretty much non-existent on AIM for the summer so I have no real things to base judgement off of outside of "Nick's word against De's word" but only one part of this whole debate really caught my attention. That was the accusations of Nick changing scores and cheating people (<3 my gimmick/character, lol.)

Now, so long as Nick isn't changing scores or anything, I'll live because that's fucked up to the highest order.

De, don't throw accusations like that around unless you have concrete proof, because that's quite the reputation-damaging thing to say and while I can admit that Nick can be very much stubborn about his ideas or what have you (EX: the FMW Games), he's never given me the impression that he's any sort of underhanded or corrupted and by most accounts he's doing a fine job as HW, even if that alone shouldn't mean he should be an admin. Since he is, I'm sure there's a good reason.

In sum, Ben asked him straight up, he said no. Until given reason to feel otherwise, I believe Nick on that account.

Now on to other matters. NHB needs to get done because maybe it's me, but it seems like it's taking FOREVER to get this show done.

I tried to trudge through the last page of that talk and failed to decipher why what appears to be a disagreement over something turned into a spiel that looked like Peter wrote it. Whatever the argument is really about, I'm sure in the long run of FMW it's not important. If the booking is as bad as De implies it is, we'd notice, and if Nick Bryson isn't a competent Head Writer, he'll be removed under democratic terms, rather than one mans wishes. As it stands, nobody else seems to have objections to how he's doing his job, so let's leave it at that. The graphics will get done in the end, i'm sure.

the nick bryson wrote:

Tromboner Man wrote:

Nick Bryson, head writer of Ammunition, have you been changing scores to matches?

No, and you know me better than that.

This is really all that I'm interested in. The booking and staff interactions aren't my business or my problem, but I take De's accusation very seriously.

I also agree with RCA, without proof, I have to take Nick at his word.

Easty wrote:

The Celt wrote:

Easty wrote:

TL;DR

Celt, 13.1, you up for a steel cage UV championship match?

Lol, you mean 14.1, we already did the 13 cycle.

Let's see what happens at U3 first and then decide what matches need to be made.

Also Jack, how long to you think the rest of the boys are putting into these replies? Judging from the length I'd say hours, Jesus.

Yeah, 14.1.

And god knows bro, CBA with the bullshit.

*Ahem*

How come you two never want to include me in these things?

They HATE YOU OVER THE INTERNET.

Kinda like how you hate Ro over the e-web?

Oh I can offer concrete proof. Considering I saved the logs of our (mine and Nick's) AIM conversations, saved screenshots of the Head Office (and can still access it any time I want, really), and then saved the AIM conversations of others I was having at the time.

The only reason I didn't offer concrete proof is because I didn't want to spoil NHB for people. Which the Ultimatum card most certainly would do. So instead of me having to reveal the machinations of Bernie Madoff and AIG, Nick should just be the bigger person and come clean with the fact that the only reason he changed the card to what it looks like now is because I called him out on changing scores. I also have the original scores that were sent to the Head Writer of NHB.

Covering all my bases and all that.

Well in that case, fuck.

And suddenly, it became serious business.

*sigh*

^Ditto.


De, I'll believe it when I see it.

Call me when this is over.

You know shit's serious when Nick posts his reaction images.

iDeAndes wrote:

Oh I can offer concrete proof. Considering I saved the logs of our (mine and Nick's) AIM conversations, saved screenshots of the Head Office (and can still access it any time I want, really), and then saved the AIM conversations of others I was having at the time.

The only reason I didn't offer concrete proof is because I didn't want to spoil NHB for people. Which the Ultimatum card most certainly would do. So instead of me having to reveal the machinations of Bernie Madoff and AIG, Nick should just be the bigger person and come clean with the fact that the only reason he changed the card to what it looks like now is because I called him out on changing scores. I also have the original scores that were sent to the Head Writer of NHB.

Covering all my bases and all that.

No, you have no 'concrete proof'.

What your 'concrete proof' is that when you flipped your shit that I, a head writer, rated and, at the time, thought it had changed the outcome. Leon knew of this and Drew knew of this.

However, the reason why things were changed was because we (Me, Leon, and Drew) figured out that I had run my numbers wrong. I apologzied to them for my mistake and changed things accordingly.

You're the one giving yourself too much credit now.

Let me add that while this debate was going on I fucked both of your mothers. Never leave your mothers unattended.

Until I see the concrete proof, I will believe Nick. His word is good in my eyes, and I do believe in innocent until proven guilty. However, if you do have concrete proof like you say you do De, then perhaps you should make it seen. I understand you don't want to spoil No Holds Barred or other things along that line, you could use the War Room or the Staff forum. I'm being fairly objective and open minded here, but since I'm very out of the loop here, I need to see proof before I can start quetioning the intergrity of people.

And while I'm saying things, removing admin powers from each other? You're both adults. Grow the fuck up.

Jaro Classic wrote:

Let me add that while this debate was going on I fucked both of your mothers. Never leave your mothers unattended.

At least they did so willingly. Unlike a certain wall puncher who used to be here that was going to rape our mothers.

Tromboner Man wrote:

Until I see the concrete proof, I will believe Nick. His word is good in my eyes, and I do believe in innocent until proven guilty. However, if you do have concrete proof like you say you do De, then perhaps you should make it seen. I understand you don't want to spoil No Holds Barred or other things along that line, you could use the War Room or the Staff forum. I'm being fairly objective and open minded here, but since I'm very out of the loop here, I need to see proof before I can start quetioning the intergrity of people.

And while I'm saying things, removing admin powers from each other? You're both adults. Grow the fuck up.

I love this man.

No homo.

We have a War Room now?

Easty wrote:

We have a War Room now?

We have since forever. Since the Proboards, actually. It's for the, ahem... "special" people.

Ah, Anwyl and the like, got it.

Omega wrote:

Kinda like how you hate Ro over the e-web?

I don't hate Ro.
I just don't like certain things Ro has said.

How can you not like what Ro says?

It's funny if you picture him as a dark version of Mr. Miyagi when he's talking.

Easty wrote:

Ah, Anwyl and the like, got it.

Eat a dick easty

the nick bryson wrote:

No, you have no 'concrete proof'.

What your 'concrete proof' is that when you flipped your shit that I, a head writer, rated and, at the time, thought it had changed the outcome. Leon knew of this and Drew knew of this.

To expand on this, as I talked with Bryson about this... here's how it went according to him:

Bryson (due to not having a laptop) hadn't sent his scores in. Leon gave him the existing scores. Bryson combined his scores with the average scores Leon sent him and averaged the two. This is because Bryson fails at math, and should have multiplied the average score Leon sent him by 4, added his and divided by 5 (assuming there's 5 raters... could be off on that). Bryson initially thought that the match he's writing was ending one way based on his wrong calculations, and it turned out that he was wrong.

That's not vote-rigging, that's a simple mathematical mistake that happened to actually be the difference in his match.

Now... and it's hard to explain without spoiling... I'm sure Bryson might have said something to the effect that he would have preferred the outcome he thought he had. The actual outcome happens to complicate some of his booking plans for U3 and beyond. That's not to say that he was actually trying to change the outcome with his promo scores, though.

Im bad at maths =(

It wouldn't be FMW without some sort of a drama now would it??

I've stayed off the boards to this point for a couple of reasons but mostly because I wanted to wait for any facts that came out before I allowed myself to get led down the garden path.

De has made some very serious accusations. The stuff about egotistical booking and all that I dismissed straight away as from what I have seen Nick has been anything but selfish in his booking. I can't see any problem with how he is doing his job and the speed and quality of Ammunition shows under his reign has been great. There will always be creative differences and if that was all De's rant had been about I would have been dissapointed in him for making such a song and dance of it all, but FMW would have continued on without much of a blip IMO.

As Ben said the issue that requires attention is that of doctoring scores. Here's what I would like to say on that:

• De had legit grounds for questioning Nick. I've seen some of his "evidence" (not from him, but I've seen it) I agree that De genuinely had reason to ask a question based on that evidence alone (although doing it over the forum is not what I would have chosen)
  
• The crucial point is that the "evidence" from the head office is only half a conversation and without knowing the rest of the conversation De cannot have "concrete" evidence of changing scores. Definite grounds for suspicion but nothing more
  
• Only two people can clarify wether Nick changed the scores and that is Leon and Drew. Hopefully they are two people we ALL respect and trust enough to take their word on it.

If it was a simple math error as Nick claims then mistakes happen and lets not shoot a man for that.

If it comes out Nick intentionally sabotaged scores then that will be dealt with appropriately


Either way my suggestion at this point is we all just take a chill pill, allow Leon and Drew to respond to the allegations and proceed from there. Only they would be privvy to the whole series of events and I think we should let them speak and trust their judgement.

Whatever they say I would hope we could take them at their word without having to post transcripts of chat etc etc that will contain numerous spoilers and just destroy the remaining credibility this place has.

That is all.

Abel Steele wrote:

If it was a simple math error as Nick claims then mistakes happen and lets not shoot a man for that.

No. We take our math very seriously round here.