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PostSubject: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:43 am

Figured I'd post this for the curious since we have a somewhat different arangement of belts than other feds. And I'm bored.

The Grand Slam currently consists of the following:

1. The FMW World Heavyweight Championship

2. Either the FMW C4 Championship or the FMW Ultraviolent Championship.

Former: FMW Abandoned Championship (dropped to third tier).

3. The FMW Abandoned Championship.

Former: FMW Light Heavyweight Championshp (retired), FMW TNT Championship (retired), NEW Heavyweight Championship (retired), FMW Television Championship (retired).

4. The FMW Tag Team Championship.

Former: FMW World Tag Team Championship (unified), FMW Television Tag Team Championship (unified).


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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:41 pm

Fun fact, nobody has accomplished this.

Quite a few people have two of the four. Drew is the only person who's won both the UV and C4 belts, giving him a unique "triple crown" type of achievement with the FMC win. Drew's never had the TV or AB titles, though, or the tag belts.

Hannibal Frost has 3 legs of the grand slam completed, with AB, C4 and FMC title runs. If he wins the tag belts, he'll be the first ever to do it. If Skyler wins the C4 at Lethal Injection, he'll also be 3/4 of the way done, with only the FMC left to go. Leon and Chris Austin would also be 3/4 of the way done if they win the FMC at Lethal Injection. Leon would need a C4 or UV run, and Austin would need a TV or AB run to complete it.
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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:08 pm

This took a while. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

  • Abel Steele – GCG
  • Anwyl – C4
  • Apostasy - AB
  • Chris Austin – FMTag, C4
  • Damien Inferno - FMTag
  • David GS (The Lightweight reign is contestable, of course.) – TV, LW
  • Drew Michaels – FMC, C4, UV, MV
  • Hannibal Frost – FMC , C4, AB
  • Harlequin – FMTag, UV
  • Jack Eastwood – FMTag
  • Leon Caprice – FMTag, AB
  • Leviticus - LW
  • Matt Ashburn - TV
  • Matt Dunn - WTag
  • John Derrick – FMC, UV
  • Jonathon King - TV
  • Mark Johansson - TV
  • Nicholas Gray - FMTag
  • Nick Bryson – FMC, UV, MV
  • Sharpedo King - AB
  • Skyler Striker – FMTag, AB
  • The Celt - UV

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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:33 pm

I'd argue that those who held the Abandoned while Distortion was still alive would get credit for a secondary title opposed to a tertiary title. That is to say that Skyler Striker, TyranT, Romeo, Hannibal Frost, and Seth Omega would have secondary title reigns. Therefore, Skyler winning the C-4 at Lethal Injection wouldn't put him any closer to a Grand Slam Championship.

Also, I wouldn't include the NEW title as part of the third tier. In terms of title history, it is part of different fed. We didn't count it as a legitimate title when Nick Rijkaard held it at the same time as the Tag Belts, nor do we count it in TyranT's official FMW title history. It's obviously an important part of FMW's history as a whole, but not the FMW fed itself.

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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:54 pm

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I'd argue that those who held the Abandoned while Distortion was still alive would get credit for a secondary title opposed to a tertiary title. That is to say that Skyler Striker, TyranT, Romeo, Hannibal Frost, and Seth Omega would have secondary title reigns. Therefore, Skyler winning the C-4 at Lethal Injection wouldn't put him any closer to a Grand Slam Championship.

Really? I don't feel that the Abandoned Title or myself while holding it got anywhere near as much respect as the C4 or Ultraviolent Titles. Ignition and Distortion were always the '3rd/4th' shows, red and blue just mean more in terms of this federation.
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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:00 pm

Also since the TV title was the exclusive belt for Ignition shouldn't anyone who won it there get counted as a second-tier? (lolignition)

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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:06 am

I understand your points. Before I refute them, I'd like to point out that when I said "Distortion" in my last post, I meant "Anxiety". Keep that in mind.

[Also, looking back, I'm pretty sure that my ideas are all over the place in this post, you'll just have to try and stay with me.]

Now, moving on, Anxiety WAS pushed as a proper third show. When we changed from "brands" to "divisions", Ammunition, Corruption, and Distortion were all widely seen (despite Jaro's best efforts) as the spiritual successors to Alchemy, Anarchy, and Anxiety, respectively. Ignition was always thought of as the tag along brand. And despite Ignition's initial roster (remember, it probably had the most starpower of any brand in the initial splitting of the divisions [Hostyle, Alex O'Rion, Flare, MASS Caesar, War Machine, X's Character at the time, etc.]), it just wouldn't hold up. Now, not only was it because have of those big talents were leaving at around that time, and that we didn't have enough staff to produce fours shows, but mostly because the least effort was put into the brand because it didn't have any history and culture to adopt from a previous brand.

Thus, when Anxiety was a proper brand, and Distortion was a division, the Abandoned Championship was a Secondary belt. No exceptions. Which logically leads into Nick's question. Tell me, when FMW first split into divisions, which brand had the first two Full Metal Champions?

If you answered Ignition, you're right (as surprising as that may seem). Alex O'Rion, who promptly Showstopped the title, and then Hostyle. When the TV title was also on the brand, it was never PUSHED as a secondary belt, since the focus of Ignition was to, at the time, showcase the FMC. Conversely, the craziness of the stipulations regarding the Abandoned belt literally ran Anxiety/Distortion. You had #1 Contender's matches that were just as dangerous as the championship matches themselves. When people think about the Green brand, that's what they think of. The Deadly Drag Race match. The Acid Bath match. The Electric Chair matches. The Hudson River match.

The difference is that the Abandoned Championship defined two different runs of a program. The Television Championship never meant much to anyone higher than the midcard.

Tl;dr: No, and no.

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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:19 am

I'm going by what TBM said in a facebook thread a while back.
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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:27 am

Let the record reflect that Slegna is right as shit.

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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:52 am

I just know my FMW history. That's either incredibly awesome or sad, whichever way you look at it.

Fair enough, Sean. By all means, the Abandoned Championship is currently a third-tier belt, a mere stepping stone belt for ascending superstars. But when it was the crown jewel of a brand/division, it was right up there with the C-4 and the Ultraviolent. Skyler mentions less respect, but that's only due the belt having less history and not being around since the fed's inception. But if you need further proof, look no further than where its' champions went: TyranT, Skyler Striker, Romeo (or, rather where Ro COULD have gotten), and Hanny.

Four great examples of what the belt used to stand for. A young brand took budding, young stars and built them up for a place amongst FMW's legends. As of now, we don't need a third secondary belt; it would be lost in the shuffle since there wouldn't be any place to showcase the championship.

Think of the Abandoned Championship as the Dark Knight: The Abandoned Championship is whatever FMW needs it to be.

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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:01 am

To be honest, the Abandoned Title is my favorite FMW belt.
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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:37 am

I feel like I should say something, since I created a lot of talking points about the belt.

Yes, I'm aware it was at one point supposed to be on-par with the C4 and UV. Yes, it didn't quite have the history of those belts and still really doesn't. My argument for it being a third tier belt was this.

What does a belt say about you as a competitor (kayfabe wise)?

The television title, because of its stipulations, means you're really on quite a roll. You've got a winning streak... and you've got potential, especially if you can hold onto it for awhile (David GS)
The UV title means you're an elite hardcore badass who can take whatever weapons that FMW has to offer
The C4 title means you're an elite technician, who outmaneuver anyone in the ring
The FMC says you're the best in the fed, no questions

The Abandoned Championship says..........

You're really good at adapting to random match types?

The real claim to fame the belt had was being the focus of a brand, which it no longer is. It helps make Corruption into more of a circus, which is nice and all, but it kind-of reinforces that it's lower tier, since it's competing with the UV belt and the UV Belt has pretty much always been considered more important (to the point where Celt/Parkes was main eventing over Me/Sharky last show). Comparing the two, to me, was a lot like comparing the European and Intercontinental Championships in the WWE. It's hard to say how they're terribly distinct from each other, except that one belt is clearly higher than the other.

I like the AB title. I think I did some entertaining stuff with it, and I think Sharky can do the same. But if I did a disservice to the belt, it was probably in making it more of a comedy spot, with the ticket counter, the Shark Boy breaks through the tank, the farewell tour bit, the making fun of the belt, etc. But I like to think, and this might be my ego talking, that I helped bring it back into the spotlight a bit and make it a bit more important. To the point where, honestly, I thought my match with Sharky last show seemed more important than Celt/Parkes for the UV. And that's not a slam on Celt or his belt, that's more just a comment on how those two matches were built up. Shark/Me had about 2 shows worth of build with the Farewell tour angle and the cage bursting shark angle, whereas Celt/Parkes was just sort of put on there.

tl;dr: It's third tier, but it has a lot of interesting history and is at the very least a well-booked third tier belt.
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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:51 am

Kayfabe-wise, being an adaptable and resilent son of a bitch is a useful thing. It means you can walk into any match, any stipulatio abd kick some ass.
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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:57 am

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Kayfabe-wise, being an adaptable and resilent son of a bitch is a useful thing. It means you can walk into any match, any stipulatio abd kick some ass.

Right, but it's a different claim.

You can hold up the FMC and claim best in the fed. You can hold up the UV and claim most hardcore, biggest badass, etc. You can hold up the C4 and claim you're the best technical wrestler. The Abandoned title doesn't have that sort of claim anymore. It used to be that it meant "best of Anxiety/Distortion".
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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:44 am

I guess it means you're the best at adapting, or the best all-around?

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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:57 am

But you're the best at adapting to the style of one show. You're not all-around because all the matches are specifically and usually crazy stipulations. You don't get to wrestle C4/UV/regular matches when you're the AB champ so there's no 'best all-rounder' to it.
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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:31 pm

I understand what you're saying Edible, but you're talking the more recent history of the Abandoned Championship. When it was the main belt on Anxiety/Distortion, it was a secondary belt. When we just had Alchemy/Anarchy, and now Ammunition/Corruption, it became tertiary.

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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:54 pm

Slegna wrote:
I understand what you're saying Edible, but you're talking the more recent history of the Abandoned Championship. When it was the main belt on Anxiety/Distortion, it was a secondary belt. When we just had Alchemy/Anarchy, and now Ammunition/Corruption, it became tertiary.


Tertiary is a funny word, firstly.


Secondly, I have to make the point that I don't think, if you look back on the history of things, that the Abandoned title is really considered a secondary belt on the level of the original secondaries. Not that they didnt make the effort to have it considered secondary, and for a time it could have been argued more thuroughly, but if we're going in the traditional sense of it it never really stood out on its own other than the fact that it was on a brand with no other title.

Think about it. The AB title is extremely similar to the UV belt, it just usually has some hilarity and slash or wacky zany fun time added to it. Where the UV is more of a serious, hardcore, top contender type belt, the AB is sort of like its little brother.

If the AB title ever really meant as much as the UV belt, this conversation wouldnt be happening. Not to say the belt has taken a back seat, we've used it fairly creatively throughout the history of the fed, but if it were as important as the C4 or UV it wouldn't be in the position it is now or considered to be in the position it is now. It would have been a contender/competing belt to the UV when put on the Red brand. It wasn't, however, and thusly I dont think you can call it second tier.

If you want to use the fact that people like Tyrant and Hannibal won the FMC after winning it then you also have to consider how many more people have won the FMC after winning the UV (which for like the first 3 years of the fed was basically the last step towards being FMC) or the C4. Yes the AB hasn't been around since the inception of FMW, but that doesnt mean it doesnt have a long history.

Could it be considered second tier some day? Sure. We honestly kind of play off that in shows as it is. Is it really considered second tier? No.

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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:03 pm

Once again, it boils down to the belt's history and the length of time that it has been a part of the fed. Less history implies less importance in the long term to the fed.

I would elaborate further, but I have a test in a couple minutes here.

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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:16 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:47 pm

Slegna wrote:
Once again, it boils down to the belt's history and the length of time that it has been a part of the fed. Less history implies less importance in the long term to the fed.

I would elaborate further, but I have a test in a couple minutes here.

The Abandoned title was officially awarded in March 12, 2008. Its been around for just under 4 years (like we're talking literally days now). There has been lots of opportunity and chance for the belt to be more than it has been percieved as and plenty of time for it to do so. Its not like the belt was created 2 cycles ago. Its been around.

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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:24 pm

It's been around, but that's not the same as being one of the core belts FMW started with. Similarly, there hasn't always been a brand to showcase and revolve storylines around that belt, since (and rightfully so) Alchemy/Ammunition focuses on the C-4 and Anarchy/Corruption focuses on the Ultraviolent.

Also, I enjoy stats. Jake, if you need help, hit me up.

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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:05 pm

Slegna wrote:
I understand what you're saying Edible, but you're talking the more recent history of the Abandoned Championship. When it was the main belt on Anxiety/Distortion, it was a secondary belt. When we just had Alchemy/Anarchy, and now Ammunition/Corruption, it became tertiary.

And I said as much. I don't think anyone's arguing that it was never a secondary belt, or at least close to one. And if we ever went to a true three brand split again (doubtful, given the lack of staff right now), I don't think it'd be a stretch to make it one again. And I think everyone here agrees that it's tertiary now.

Here's a more interesting question, to me:

Anarchy Ultraviolent Championship: Secondary or Tertiary?
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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:33 pm

So do people who won it when it was a secondary title (or close to it) get counted as secondary or tertiary?

As for Edible's question: Fuck knows.

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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:03 pm

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So do people who won it when it was a secondary title (or close to it) get counted as secondary or tertiary?

As for Edible's question: Fuck knows.

Oh... so that's what we're debating?

I don't really want to take away from the accomplishments of Skyler, Hannibal, and Tyrant. BUT... if we're counting their runs as secondary... then they're all further away from the Grand Slam. So, I'd say for them they should be able to count it as either.
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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:17 pm

I don't even know what we're actually debating (and I doubt Slegna does either besides his love of debates)

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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:12 pm

I was pointing out that the Abandoned Championship was secondary while part of Anxiety/Distortion, and tertiary while on Alchemy/Corruption (I think that's where's it's been). So yes, it puts Skyler, TyranT, and Hanny further away, but at the "cost" of acknowledging a more respected title reign.

So, that's what I was debating. Fuck knows what you morons were talking about.

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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:55 pm

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And despite Ignition's initial roster (remember, it probably had the most starpower of any brand in the initial splitting of the divisions [Hostyle, Alex O'Rion, Flare, MASS Caesar, War Machine, X's Character at the time, etc.]), it just wouldn't hold up.

Um, I was never on "Ignition". I don't even know what "Ignition" is. I was always on Anarchy...and former Ultraviolent and Television Champion. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Full Metal Wrestling Grand Slam Requirements   Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:05 pm

I miss X and Dreamkiller. That pairing, along with Dr. David Diabolical, were probably my two favorite "old-school" FMW peeps.

Also, challenge accepted. I hereby name you Xen X. Xander.

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